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	<title>Comments on: Can claimID provide credibility?</title>
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		<title>By: Fred Stutzman</title>
		<link>http://blog.claimid.com/2006/04/can-claimid-provide-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Stutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet..Now I understand what a Roach Motel Buster is!  Lets just say - you had it right for us.  We always knew our play wouldn&#039;t be doing verified identity - and identity 2.0 (or user-centric identity, or the identity metasystem) steps in perfectly to offer us the bits and parts we need.  We can plug in the parts they&#039;d do better than us anyway, and we&#039;re staying open and standards-based.  It just makes sense in our case (and in lots of other cases like ours).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet..Now I understand what a Roach Motel Buster is!  Lets just say &#8211; you had it right for us.  We always knew our play wouldn&#8217;t be doing verified identity &#8211; and identity 2.0 (or user-centric identity, or the identity metasystem) steps in perfectly to offer us the bits and parts we need.  We can plug in the parts they&#8217;d do better than us anyway, and we&#8217;re staying open and standards-based.  It just makes sense in our case (and in lots of other cases like ours).</p>
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		<title>By: Cote'</title>
		<link>http://blog.claimid.com/2006/04/can-claimid-provide-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Cote'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to hear I got it &quot;right&quot; ;) I&#039;m really interested to see how the user-centric identity thinking pans out over the next year or so. It looks like it&#039;ll be exciting, and then maybe I can finally stop entering the same profile data at every new site that comes along. My selfish desire, of course, is seeing this as a major &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drunkandretired.com/2005/11/10/the-roach-motel-busters/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roach Motel Buster&lt;/a&gt;, which is always a good thing to see in effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to hear I got it &#8220;right&#8221; <img src='http://blog.claimid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m really interested to see how the user-centric identity thinking pans out over the next year or so. It looks like it&#8217;ll be exciting, and then maybe I can finally stop entering the same profile data at every new site that comes along. My selfish desire, of course, is seeing this as a major <a href="http://www.drunkandretired.com/2005/11/10/the-roach-motel-busters/" rel="nofollow">Roach Motel Buster</a>, which is always a good thing to see in effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Moogle1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital Identity Systems - Designing to Keep the Network Up and Spammers Out</title>
		<link>http://blog.claimid.com/2006/04/can-claimid-provide-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Moogle1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital Identity Systems - Designing to Keep the Network Up and Spammers Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Terrell Russell commented on my earlier ID/trust post at in &#8220;Can claimID provide credibility?&#8221; and a commenter there, Fred Stutzman, pointed out some great info about how trust can be built on a foundation of untrusted URL&#8217;s, as well as pointing out several ID protocols in the making: OpenID, LID, and microID. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Terrell Russell commented on my earlier ID/trust post at in &#8220;Can claimID provide credibility?&#8221; and a commenter there, Fred Stutzman, pointed out some great info about how trust can be built on a foundation of untrusted URL&#8217;s, as well as pointing out several ID protocols in the making: OpenID, LID, and microID. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bijon</title>
		<link>http://blog.claimid.com/2006/04/can-claimid-provide-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bijon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I came down harder on claimID than I meant to. The concept and timing is great and should offer an improvement over the current methods of validating ID&#039;s. As far as I can tell the market is currently monopolized by the closed-system of each of the credit reporting agencies. And they certainly aren&#039;t interested in trust or relationships (or even security, it seems) at all. It&#039;s best we take it out of the hands of those agencies and don&#039;t depend on eBay or MySpace to open their systems either. ClaimID is a good start toward opening things up and giving contrl back to the users, even without a working system up. I just hope Terrell and his team at claimID make the system play nice with others - thus, my continued shouting about needing a protocol or open standard so that the &quot;complex network&quot; described by Terrell will stay up regardless of funding, bandwidth, or any commercial players.

Fred, you&#039;re completely right about Cote&#039;s description of the process at http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/04/identity_20_tru.html. He&#039;s got it right and the parties he mentions at OpenID, LID, and microID are already well into implementation. Indeed, all of those systems (after a quick glance) should work well - so long as the primary users are geeky enough to own their own URL&#039;s/hosting accounts. However, once a service is offered to freely host ID URL&#039;s those URL&#039;s won&#039;t confirm anything more than having a Hotmail address does now. That, of course, is why closed trust systems like eBay&#039;s are shallow but still worth something. So, we either need to restrict digital identities to a subset of people willing and able to pay for the URL/priviledge or to build in some sort of feedback loop that adds a level of trust to each identifying domain - thus motivating those hosting ID URL&#039;s for free to keep spam registrations low or face migration away from their systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I came down harder on claimID than I meant to. The concept and timing is great and should offer an improvement over the current methods of validating ID&#8217;s. As far as I can tell the market is currently monopolized by the closed-system of each of the credit reporting agencies. And they certainly aren&#8217;t interested in trust or relationships (or even security, it seems) at all. It&#8217;s best we take it out of the hands of those agencies and don&#8217;t depend on eBay or MySpace to open their systems either. ClaimID is a good start toward opening things up and giving contrl back to the users, even without a working system up. I just hope Terrell and his team at claimID make the system play nice with others &#8211; thus, my continued shouting about needing a protocol or open standard so that the &#8220;complex network&#8221; described by Terrell will stay up regardless of funding, bandwidth, or any commercial players.</p>
<p>Fred, you&#8217;re completely right about Cote&#8217;s description of the process at <a href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/04/identity_20_tru.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/04/identity_20_tru.html</a>. He&#8217;s got it right and the parties he mentions at OpenID, LID, and microID are already well into implementation. Indeed, all of those systems (after a quick glance) should work well &#8211; so long as the primary users are geeky enough to own their own URL&#8217;s/hosting accounts. However, once a service is offered to freely host ID URL&#8217;s those URL&#8217;s won&#8217;t confirm anything more than having a Hotmail address does now. That, of course, is why closed trust systems like eBay&#8217;s are shallow but still worth something. So, we either need to restrict digital identities to a subset of people willing and able to pay for the URL/priviledge or to build in some sort of feedback loop that adds a level of trust to each identifying domain &#8211; thus motivating those hosting ID URL&#8217;s for free to keep spam registrations low or face migration away from their systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Stutzman</title>
		<link>http://blog.claimid.com/2006/04/can-claimid-provide-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Stutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cote&#039;s got it &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/04/identity_20_tru.html&quot;&gt;right&lt;/a&gt;.  There&#039;s lots of people playing the verified game, and claimID should (and will) nicely.  Now we just gotta find the time to integrate OpenID (yeah, Cote, it&#039;s coming) - but the semester ends soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cote&#8217;s got it <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/04/identity_20_tru.html">right</a>.  There&#8217;s lots of people playing the verified game, and claimID should (and will) nicely.  Now we just gotta find the time to integrate OpenID (yeah, Cote, it&#8217;s coming) &#8211; but the semester ends soon!</p>
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